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Driver Reportedly Flees Scene on GW Parkway, Leaving Injured Cyclist

Was it road rage? White male driving gold Cadillac left scene Sunday morning, driving away on Collingwood Road, two cyclists say.

 

Two cyclists claim they saw a case of road rage this week on the George Washington Parkway.

A driver in a gold Cadillac Seville caused an accident Sunday morning that seriously injured cyclist Phil Hepburn of Alexandria, and then fled the scene, said two of his cycling companions, Max Rogozinski of Woodbridge and Jim Strang of Fairfax County.

"There was no doubt he was either trying to scare us and went too far or actually was doing it just to hurt someone," said Rogozinski.

Hepburn was hospitalized after falling under the car, which pulled over and braked in front of him and four other cyclists, according to Rogozinski and Strang. In the fall, Hepburn fractured his hip socket and pelvis area, they said.

Fairfax County Police spokesman Officer Bud Walker on Friday referred all questions about the case to the U.S. Park Police. A call to a U.S. Park Police spokesman was answered by a voice mail message that did not leave an after-hours phone number. A U.S. Park Police news blog does not mention the incident.

"I've been cycling in the area for 40 years and I've seen some aggression, but never to this extent," said Strang, owner of Spokes Etc., a group of bicycle shops in Northern Virginia. 

"It's possible he [the driver] miscalculated his speed but maybe it was intentional," said Strang, who also acknowledged that the cyclists themselves were in violation of a "no bicycles" rule on the parkway. 

"A car, a gold Cadillac, came up going 60, 65 miles per hour, and came within two or three inches of me," recalled Rogozinski. "I kind of sat up, and my hand went up as in 'What is all this about?' He ripped by me, got in front of the group, and slammed on his brakes."

Of the five cyclists, the first cyclist, Chris Regan, quickly veered off, missing the car. The second cyclist, Hepburn, "laid down" his bike. The bike fell to the wayside and Hepburn went sliding under the car.

"You see in the movies, where a motorcyle slides into a car? That’s what happened," Rogozinski said. "The rest of us were able to pull up in time."

Without getting out of the car or speaking to the cyclists, the driver of the car then backed up and drove away from the scene, crossing into the southbound lanes of the parkway and onto Collingwood Road, according to Roginski and Strang. "He must have been going 60, 65 [miles per hour] onto Collingwood Drive," Rogozinski said.

Hepburn's two friends said the driver was a white male in his late 50s. The cyclists said the car may have been a Cadillac Seville from 1996-2000.

After realizing that Hepburn was injured, the cyclists called 911, Strang said. Mount Vernon Fire and Rescue Station 9, on Sherwood Hall Lane, responded, a station spokesman said.

Both U.S. Park Police and Fairfax County Police arrived at the scene, said Rogozinski. Fairfax County Police helped look for the driver in the Collingwood Road area, according to Rogozinski, but did not find him.

Passersby also stopped to help. "From what we understand, there was one guy trying to chase the guy down, but he couldn't get a license plate and the guy just flew through there," said Rogozinski. "You just don't do this and then go on your merry way."

Hepburn was taken to Mount Vernon Hospital, and then transferred to Fairfax Hospital for surgery. Rogozinski said he thinks Hepburn will recuperate at Mount Vernon Hospital, known for its rehabilitation services.

What makes the incident worse, Strang and Rogozinski said, is that they are fairly certain they saw the gold Cadillac pass them going south about five minutes before the incident that sent their friend to the hospital. Then, the car veered across the lanes of the parkway toward the cyclers, crossing the center line into the northbound lanes, and back. "As we were coming up north, this Cadillac was driving south and he made a turn toward us," Rogozinski said.

About five minutes later, Rogozinski said, possibly the same car, this time in the northbound lanes, pulled over and slammed on its brakes in front of the cyclists. (Rogozinski and Strang surmised that the driver may have made a U turn on the parkway or turned around in the circle at Mount Vernon.)

"It’s not as though the group rides in the middle of the road, or waves into people’s faces and all that," Rogozinski said. "We're a few inches off the gutter—99.9 percent of the time, we’re right in back of each other."

The cyclists are part of a group of expert athletes who have ridden the parkway in a loop down to Fort Belvoir and back on the weekends for about 15 years. The cyclists, who often compete in races, travel at speeds of about 25-27 miles per hour on their weekend rides, which is faster than cyclists using the nearby bike trail, who can travel no faster than 15 miles per hour, Strang said. The other cyclists with Hepburn, Rogozinski and Strang on Sunday were Chris Regan and Scott Crabtree of Alexandria.

In recent months, signs have gone up on the parkway, stating "No Bicycles." Although the signs are new to some, the National Park policy dates back at least four years. The group on Sunday was not ticketed, they said.

Anyone with information about the driver should call U.S. Park Police at (202) 610-7515.

Chris LaMarca

10:53 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

I'd be happy if the cyclists just pulled over to the side to the side of the road so that vehicles could pass safely.

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Tierney

10:57 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

There's no excuse for what the driver of the car did and I hope the cyclist is healing well and the gentlemen are over their shake-up, but the cyclists on the Parkway are a nuisance. There is no shoulder, so they drive in the lanes on a roadway where people typically drive 45-60mph. They make things dangerous for us all. I agree with the person above. The more skilled riders ride as though they're entitled to ride on the roadway by virtue of their skills....as if the bike path isn't good enough for them. Too bad if it's too crowded! There's no accommodation on the GW Parkway for cyclists. It's illegal. And it endangers everyone involved. It needs to be stopped. And, Jim Strang, as the owner of a chain of bicycle shops, you should be modeling safer, more appropriate behavior for cyclists young and old. It's your kind of elitist, entitled behavior that makes people angry. Again, no excuse for the driver's behavior, but the cyclists need to know they're courting all sorts of attention when they're out there driving in lanes meant ONLY for cars.

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Tierney

11:06 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

Adding to my comment above, if the cyclists need a place to ride their bikes at higher speeds, they need to choose a road with a shoulder. The GW Parkway is beautiful, agreed. But if they're really training for races, the view shouldn't matter. Find a road with a shoulder. People are distracted enough on the Parkway because of the beautiful view, the narrow-feeling lanes, the two-way traffic and all the other degrees of difficulty. We don't need to add more to the mix. I'm sure the cyclists will be shocked there's so little support for their side in this story, but this isn't a road for tourists. It's a functional highway that people use for their everyday commuting.

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S

11:54 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

This is not a "functional highway". It is the George Washington PARKWAY. It is part of the National Park Service. Yes, it was not permitted that the cyclists ride on the parkway but your daily speeding is also illegal. You cannot go above 45 mph anywhere on the parkway and the speed limit is even lower as you approach Alexandria. Even on roads with shoulders, cyclists ride on the road because shoulders are not bike lanes and it is safer and permitted. Please focus your future energy on finding the deranged individual in our community.

Marty Skopp

11:50 am on Saturday, October 15, 2011

Agreed, the GW Parkway is illegal and unsafe for cyclists but does not excuse the behavior of the driver. On the other hand, cyclists do not have good alternatives in the Fort Hunt/Mt Vernon area for cycling on road. The bike path is NOT a reasonable alternative for road cyclists who are training for speed. The speed limit on the Mt Vernon path is 15 mph, much slower than most road cyclists and triathletes are capable of doing. The path conditions are poor for serious cycling because of uneven, cracked surfaces that will eat a bicycle with thin tires. The path can become overcrowded with runners, walkers, strollers/small children and sightseers. Most roads in the area have no shoulder for safer riding. Bottom line is that road cyclists do not have good safe alternatives. I have chosen to ride a hybrid bike on the bike path that affords more safety but cyclists should have better choices. Of course they could just ride in continuous 1.25 mile circles in Ft Hunt Park. Oh wait, NPS is planning to dismantle that road too. Cyclists can't win for losing. I guess we should all just be big and fat couch potatoes.

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Richard Campbell

4:46 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011

The GW Parkway is not a velodrome. Cycling for commuting is one thing, we all benefit. Cycling for competition is only for self centered reasons better done out in the country.

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George Dawson

9:45 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011

Quote from above "Bottom line is that road cyclists do not have good safe alternatives." is a false statement. As stated earlier, between Ashburn and Percyville on the W&OD bike trail there is 20 miles of low use, mostly flat, bike trail. . There are also long stretches in Rock Creek Park and Hanes point. If you don't like the inconvenience, just ride on the beltway.

Cindy

3:44 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011

If you want to use your bicycle on the path on GW Parkway and you feel it's too crowded and dangerous, your right. Children are not being patrolled when riding w/their parents, they ride all over the path. You have walkers with ipods on not paying attention (and other bikers for that matter) And you have rollerbladers taking up 1/2 the path with their stride. I have found the only way to avoid this is not to ride on the weekends and find other times to go on the path. There is never an excuse to ride on the parkway when there is a path available. It's dangerous. Period. That's why I took up spinning. Maybe the park authority could make a lane on the path just for bikers? Or maybe people could be more considerate when on the path.

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Cindy

4:43 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011

I am not saying what this man did was not irresponsible. It is horrid. It does sound like he was after them. He was also speeding, doing U turns and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I do think that something needs to be done for the bike path to also be safe for everyone who uses it and at this point, it's not. It's a joke, so in some respects, I do not blame the bikers for using the road, but again, they are breaking the law.

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toni andrews

9:52 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

This is for Cindy. I'm one of those walkers you mention who enjoys my iPod while I walk on the GW path. I have had it with bikers zipping by me so close I can feel their breath. I stay completely on my side to the right and it makes no difference to these arrogant bikers. So many of them nearly hit me as they pass that my heart stops. You must ALWAYS yield to a person on foot. Walkers, rollerbladers, and kids have a right to use that path. Here's what I say to the bikers: stay off the GW Parkway roadway and be courteous and patient on the path. Share the path! Cindy: I commend you for getting your need for speed in a spinning class. However, "a lane for just bikers?" Who will pay for that?

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Joseph

9:01 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

The city of Santa Barbara, CA, solved a similar problem years ago with it's bicycle/pedestrian trail that skirts the city's Pacific Coastline. Not only is it wide enough to comfortably accomodate all forms of non-motorized conveyance, a solid white line runs along the center of the entire trail, separating bicycles from pedestrians/roller-bladers. Additionally, police on bicycles ride up and down the trail enforcing this separation. There is plenty of room on both sides of the Mount Vernon Trail to allow for widening and to separate bicycles from other users. Granted, it still would not be a training track for racers, but then again, neither is the GW Parkway! There are plenty of safer alternatives to train for racing, to include spinning, as Cindy above does. Additionally, If you're a bicyclist riding the trail, use common courtesy when approachind pedestrians from the rear by announcing your intention to pass: "On your right!" or a similar warning. And then SLOW DOWN! Likewise, pedestrians, get the h-e-double-toothpicks out of the way when you hear the warning! Though it's hard to find anymore, a little courtesy does go a long way. Having said that, two wrongs don't make a right. The driver of the Cadillac should, at a minimum, spend a few days behind bars for reckless endangerment and have his driver's liscence suspended for at least six months.

rachet biker

3:51 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011

i can't even read these biker's should be responsible comments--no matter what anyone is doing they should not be purposefully killed. Period. That is completely sick. The level of criminal social pathology that someone exhibits by handling their anger around bikers on the parkway is truly sick. Also, this entire discussion of bikers versus cars has nothing to do with this incident. Again, don't kill people because you are mad that they are biking in a place that is off limits to bikers.

I do happen to agree that bikers should have more road rights, biking is great for our community. But as a biker, pedestrian, driver, roller blader and citizen who walks with elderly, young and disabled people I don't think any infraction or disagreement about the roadway warrants death. I hope they get that guy and he goes to jail. Also, make the roadways such as the parkway safe for bikers and stop making them into the I can't go fast on the road scapegoats.

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George Dawson

9:53 pm on Saturday, October 15, 2011

Quoted from above "i can't even read these biker's should be responsible comments". You can not expect others to watch out for you. You must watch out for yourself. If these bikers noticed that
1) the car was speeding,
2) the car turned around then
3) came back from behind and
4) got in front of them and stopped short

 well, by golly, they should have taken the hint by step 2 and protected themselves. The world is full of crazies, and it is juvenile to expect "them" to act reasonably. You have to defend yourself against them. And it you don't, don't come crying to me about it.

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NB

8:52 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

George,

I assume that is a joke. Otherwise...from the article, the car came by at 60mph - hardly any time for them to react. Anyway, why is the focus not on finding this lunatic unstable driver?? What if he gets mad next at someone on a motorcycle or a cyclist or pedestrian on some other road?

George Dawson

9:45 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

No joke. If a car passes you by at 60mph, turns around and heads back at you, this is not a joke. It is a danger sign. You should respond to a danger sign by being aware and watching out.

It is not a question of "what if " some driver "gets mad at someone" else. It is a question of WHEN you see the next crazy coming after you, get out of his way.

I am not justifying the last crazy person, or the next crazy person. I am reminding people that there are ALWAYS crazy people out there. Not just sometimes, but always. Watch out for them. Stay out of their way.

PS. ALL crazy people SHOULD be taken off the road. I am happy to help. Think it will work?

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Keith Whited

1:45 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

George - go back and read the previoius comments and then read your absurd suggestion. First, they aren't sure it was the same car and Second, if in fact it was the same car I seriously doubt that there was any way they realized step 2 had happened until steps 3 & 4 occurred. Obviously, IF they had known about step 2 they could be sure about it being the same car. Think - - than type.

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Joseph

9:20 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

George: With all due respect, your comments are idealistic at best. I'm not quite sure what CG induced fantasy land you're living in, but your suggestions are not based in reality. Unless a bicyclist is completely paranoid, it's not logical to assume that a motorist making a U-turn is necessarily comming after him. There are infinite reasons a motorist might make a U-turn on the Parkway, non of which would be a so called "danger sign". You're right about one thing, though: the Parkway is an inherently dangerous roadway. That's why it's illegal for bicyclists to ride. The trail is there for a reason. Use it. No excuses! Granted, this does not absolve the driver of the Cadillac of his criminal act, and he should be found and prosecuted! If you cannot control your anger, you should not be behind the wheel of a car.

Katy Law

11:09 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

There is no excuse for the driver's action and I wish the person who was hit a speedy recovery. However, the cyclists on the Parkway are a nuisance. They make things dangerous for us all. There's no accommodation on the GW Parkway for cyclists. It's illegal. And it endangers everyone involved. It needs to be stopped.

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Roberta

11:33 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Why weren't the cyclists ticketed??? Did the police feel sorry for them because they were hurt and scared? I'll try that someday if I get pulled over for speeding or driving my car on an un-authorized road.
And, 'good job!' to the the injured cyclist. You probably saved your own life by laying your bike down. Speedy recovery.
To the driver of the "Caddy"...your'e going to jail a-----e.

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Joseph

9:21 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

Well said, Roberta! Thumbs up!!

Carol Moore

11:34 am on Sunday, October 16, 2011

In DC Beach Drive is closed to cars on weekends so cyclists, rollerbladers, etc., can better enjoy Rock Creek Park. Has anyone considered dedicating a section or lane of the parkway to recreational use on weekends? The trail is barely adequate for handling weekend crowds. I live off the Parkway and on weekends it would be no problem for me to use Route 1 and Fort Hunt Road for driving north to south.

That said, I commute on the Parkway every day and am often dismayed by both drivers and cyclists. There is no reason for a cyclist to ride on the road on a weekday commute when there is ample space on the trail. At the same time, drivers routinely go 60+MPH, way too high. Both drivers and cyclists need to use more common sense and check their sense of entitlement; if that does not work, the police need to enforce.

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Keith Whited

2:24 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

I am a cyclist (who has ridden on the Parkway perhaps twice in the past 10 years). I agree that the riding on the Parkway is illegal and that is the reason I don't personally ride there. What I do find interesting is the sense of 'entitlement' that the non-biking drivers express. Since anyone who tries driving less than 10 miles OVER the speed limit on the Parkway is a traffic hazard it is obvious that these same drivers who complain about the bikers breaking the law are speeding (breaking the law) every time they use the Parkway - - Oh, I know - - you folks who have commented are all part of the 1% who impede Parkway traffic by actually travelling the speed limit, right?? Also, (although not technically illegal) the Parkway was NOT intended to be used a a route for commuting. Perhaps it should revert to its intended purpose and commuters should be ticketed for using it making it once again safe for bikers to use - - but, I know, that sounds like the idea of a radical, selfish biker . . . . .

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Keith Whited

2:25 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

There NEEDS to be some decent provisions made for bikers in our area. THe 'bike' path really isn't a safe alternative - - even for the casual bike commuter. The reason have all been stated above but to reiterate - - 1. Too narrow. 2 Too many twists & turns. 3. Rough pavement from tree roots, 4. Unsupervised kids. 5. Dogs not kept on a tight leash. 6. Roller Bladers. 7. Folks walking with iPods stuck in their ears (occasionally reading a book or newspaper as well) 8. Folks walking 2-3 abreast and totally ignoring biker’s yells of 'passing on the left'. I could think of a few more but those should convey the point.
Suggesting that bikers commute 30-40 miles to ride on the WOD Trail is a selfish and ludicrous suggestion as well. Supposedly, we are encouraged to partake of a healtier lifestyle and get our gas guzzlers off the roadway. Reasonable provisions for safe biking in the Mt. Vernon area would go a long way toward accomplishing both of those goals.

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Tierney

5:55 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Non-biking drivers should feel entitled to the Parkway. It's meant for cars. It's a road. For drivers. Of cars. Of course we feel entitled to drive on it. The question is, why do cyclists feel entitled to cycle on it when there's a law against them doing so?

George Dawson

4:27 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

"Suggesting that bikers commute 30-40 miles to ride on the WOD Trail is a selfish and ludicrous suggestion as well."
Selfish and Ludicrous here: A few other training quality bike paths have been mentioned here. WOD is a 45 mile trail that starts in Shirlington. A round trip is a good 90 miles plus any "commute" to get to the trail. I was first introduced to century day trips by a 65 year old lady. If you have to work out on crowded pedestrian filled bike paths or car filled roads with no curb, - please use the gym. Do not jeopardize other people's safety just so you can be arrogant and rude.

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Jeff Lemieux

4:48 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

It's a national parkway, run by the National Park Service. It is supposed to be a scenic recreational roadway. The fact that drivers use it as a speedway for commuting is against its original purpose. Cyclists should be allowed on the road. Horses too. It's National Park Service land, not a speedway for a bunch of raging suburban bullies in 2 ton vehicles. Attempting to kill someone with your car is attempted murder just as much as shooting a gun.

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Dave Maurer

5:43 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

I'm stunned by the implication from several comments that the cyclists are to blame. Trying to kill people with your car is a criminal act, plain and simple. Any implication that the cyclists deserved it because they weren't following the rules makes as much sense as saying its OK to shoot drivers who run red lights or speed on the Beltway.

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George Dawson

9:13 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

"I'm stunned by the implication from several comments that the cyclists are to blame."

If some kids go dancing on the beltway, and get hurt, would you blame them?

Keith Whited

6:01 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

George - I am well aware of the location of the WOD. It is where I personally do my fast riding, but I have the advantage of spending most weekends in Reston - most Mt. Vernonites do not. My commment about driving 30-40 miles was based on your suggestion of: "between Ashburn and Percyville (sic) on the W&OD bike trail there is 20 miles of low use, mostly flat, bike trail". Based on that comment my 30-40 miles was actually conservative - not ludicrous. BTW - How far would you be willing to commute to get to your gym - - or wherever you go to exercise?
I notice you are silent to the suggestion that the Parkway be taken back for use as it was originally intended - - really seems like you as a commuter are the selfish one who uses the parkway as your convenient method of commuting rather than as a National Park designed and constructed for pleasure and to connect Mt. Vernon and Olde Towne Alexandria. Name another National Park that is used as a major commuting artery.

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George Dawson

12:10 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Selfish commuter here: "really seems like you as a commuter are the selfish one who uses the parkway as your convenient method of commuting"
I have not owned a car since 93. I bike or walk everywhere, never on a parkway.
Why am I getting such personal vindictive for presumed and non-reality based traits? Maybe I am paranoid. If I see a car going 60 in a 45 zone, making a u-turn, I will venture a turn myself to see if he is coming back again. Have not been struck by a car, bike, or jogger, in my 45 years of trail and road use. So I believe a little paranoia is healthy.

DAVE

6:25 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Want to know why bikes aren't allowed on the Parkway. This is it. When a bicycle can travel as fast as an automobile then I'll be more than happy to accommodate them. Until then keep your wheels on the "bike path." This might be the most serious incident, but not the first involving cars and bikes on the Parkway. As l,on g as I've lived here, the Parkway has never been a scenic, recreational Roadway. It is one of the major commuter arteries in our area and to say otherwise is silly. Would you ride your bike on the Beltway? What about Route I. No. Why? Because you would probably be killed. And, Keith, you and I agree on most things, but never this.
Bikes aren't allowed on the Parway. I in no way condone the "alleged" actions of the driver, but I am sure there is more to this story than is reported.

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S

8:17 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

DAVE--No not correct for most roads except the Parkway and obviously the Beltway. Again more ignorant comments. You must share the other roads with bicycles. Check out the VDOT page on bicycle laws. You cannot run down bicycles on Ft Hunt Road, Rte 1 or anywhere else you speed in your gas guzzling SUV while you are talking on the phone and smoking your cigarette.

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DAVE

6:59 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

"S"(?). Facts are facts. The Parkway is a major artery between Mt. Vernon and DC. There is no shoulder. I have absolutely no problem sharing the roads with bicyclists as long as it is safe for all concerned. If you ride your bike between Mt. Vernon and Route 1 on any given day you can get stuck behind a pack of bicycles not going anywhere near the speed limit. There's no shoulder and you have to pass in the other lane across a double yellow line. As I have said more than once I have almost been killed by a bicyclist once and the next time they are a speed bump. I do have an SUV and, fortunately, I quit smoking 10 years ago. I also don;t use a cellphone on the Parkway because the eco-terrorists won't allow a cellphone tower.

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Tierney

10:59 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

I would like S to know I drive the Parkway daily, don't smoke, don't use a cell phone and don't have an SUV. But I do dislike cyclists on the Parkway. And, unfortunately, if a situation ever comes down to me protecting the individuals in my car from being hit by another car...or hitting a pack of cyclists that shouldn't be there...the cyclists are going down. Bottom line: You risk your life by cycling on the Parkway. You may like that to be different all you want. But if this thread has taught you anything, it should be that.

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DAVE

11:06 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

I agree with you 100%. I have 3 children that for better worse won't fit in a Prius.

Jeff Lemieux

6:49 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Bullying behavor is a expression of power. Cyclists used to be able to use those roads, but the bullies seem to have won, and the law changed to reflect their power. Cyclists and pedestrians are fine with certain highways being restricted for high-speed car and truck traffic only. However, it's a shame that those restrictions are now going up on national parkways. Local roads should be shared peacefully. Just slow down and enjoy the ride. You'll feel better, you won't kill anyone, and you'll get to your destination almost as fast.

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Richard Campbell

7:57 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Bicycles have never been allowed on the parkway. Bicycles are permitted on roads with a speed limit of 35 mph or less.

Ashley

7:11 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Wow - I am shocked at some of the bashing going on both sides of the fence in these responses (especially talking about selfish suburban commuters - really??? Come on....don't most people in this area commute? - especially to Fort Belvoir and Old Town). The guy who allegedly committed this act is wrong in doing so, absolutely. But...as of the current Park Police/NPS regulation states -NO BIKERS are allowed on the GW Parkway roadway. It's extremely dangerous for bikers and drivers who ARE obeying the laws. If bikers have a problem with it, address it with your local political leaders. I understand you have an issue with not having a place to ride your bicycles locally at high speeds, but guess what.....there are lots of sports enthusiasts who have to travel for their passion (including hunters, rock climbers, etc)....it's just part of life. You either deal with it, change it, move or find a new passion. Just my thought.

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T Ailshire

7:51 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

There's no excuse for the actions of the automobile driver, but why these cyclists weren't ticketed astounds me.

The law applies, or it should be repealed. Selective enforcement is bound to cause issues.

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S

8:12 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Richard Campbell--The law that prohibits bicycles on the parkway is a new one, passed in the last couple of years. Also VA State Law allows bicycles on roads with speed limits greater than 35 mph as long as the bike has proper reflective gear. Check out the VDOT page on bicycle laws and educate yourself before posting ignorant comments. And yes, you are required to share the other roads with bicycles allowing 2 feet between your car and the bike.

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Tierney

8:19 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

What it comes down to is that the man in the car was wrong. The cyclists were wrong. Both broke the law. And whether cyclists like it or not, the fact is they're not welcome on the GW Parkway, they're not wanted on the GW Parkway and they're not allowed on the GW Parkway. For their own safety. Whether it's intentional or not, they're risking their lives being out there. And if they're hit, they played a role in that simply by being there. Again, no excuse for a person purposely endangering them or hitting and running. That person should be found and caught. But I can't sit here and think "oh poor victim cyclists" when they were out there knowingly breaking the law and knowingly putting themselves in danger. Again, these are not ignorant people. One of the owns a chain of bike stores. He knows what he's doing when he brings people out there. Simply by being there, they were all taking a risk with their lives. There is a personal responsibility involved in being there under those conditions. If they want to court danger and decide that cycling at 20-25 mph on a road that, right or wrong, has cars going 45-60 and there's no shoulder or wiggle room, is worth the risk, then they need to deal with the consequences. This is what happens. They should have been ticketed. And the man in the car should be found and prosecuted. EVERYONE was in the wrong here.

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Richard Campbell

9:35 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

anonymous (in the /. sense) S, no, we weren't allowed on the parkway in 1970 for Earth Day, and not since. Park Police have told me emphatically for at least ten years that bicycles aren't allowed.
Va driver's manuals always stated that bicycles were restricted to 35mph or less. You seem to want the last word, so how about ponying up some facts?

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Napes

11:23 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

S, Don't be too hard on Richard Campbell just because he hasn’t done any research and made a true, but flat-out misleading statement. “Bicycles are permitted on roads with a speed limit of 35 mph or less.” Yes, fully true, since after all, bicycles are also allowed on almost all public roads with a speed greater than 35mph as well. Mr. Campbell would also be just as correct if he asserted “Cars are permitted on roads with a speed limit of 35 mph or less.”

He correctly remembered the number 35 and just confused some of the concepts. What Mr. Campbell probably meant to say is “the DMV booklet says that mopeds aren't allowed to go faster than 35mph or they are considered motorcycles. Mopeds, just like bicycles, aren’t allowed on Virginia’s interstates, although both are allowed on most other public roads.” For justification of that statement see page 22 of http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/pdf/dmv39.pdf where you will also find the following gem: "Look for bicycles on all public roads."

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Mary Ann Barton

9:54 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Here's a link to info from NPS re cycling on GW Parkway (it was included in the story as well): http://www.nps.gov/gwmp/parkmgmt/upload/No-Bikes-on-Road.pdf

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Jeff Lemieux

10:05 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Nobody's arguing that the cyclists weren't breaking the rules. People jaywalk all the time. We still shouldn't try to run them down, however irritating it might be. Drivers need to slow down and react peacefully and safely to any hazards on the road. We are driving potentially deadly machines, and thus need to observe a higher standard of safety and maturity than competitive cyclists trying to find a place to work out, or jaywalkers trying to get across the street for that matter. With great power comes great responsibility. Some drivers don't seem to understand this until someone is dead.

S

10:03 pm on Sunday, October 16, 2011

Richard Campbell--
I don't get the /. sense but anyway you have two different points in your response. First you ask about the parkway. You can refer to this Washington Post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/can-cyclists-drivers-safely-share-a-parkway-national-park-service-says-no/2011/08/18/gIQABMXCIK_story.html
Note that the article states that the Superintendent reconfirms the policy that was instituted in 2007. Also in this same article is that WABA's position that bicycles operate safely on similar roads and that there is no evidence that they cannot do so on the parkway.

Second, you ask about the VDOT laws please check out the following http://www.virginiadot.org/programs/bk-laws.asp#Where You can look at the sections that say where to ride and equipment. Note that under equipment, there are special rules for bicycles riding on roads after dark and where the speed is over 35 mph.
Please take some time to review the law and update yourself and feel free to pass along the correct information to others so that we can all benefit from fewer road rage incidents.

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Richard Campbell

8:30 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

S, while I see the article the park service told me by phone earlier than 2007 that bikes weren't allowed. Sorry I didn't keep note. Also, bikes were not allowed on in 1970 by the park police as I said, for Earth Day, though we just accepted their word for it.
I found that link earlier, but it does not work for me? Anyone else have a problem?

Keith Whited

12:21 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

Perhaps some of my comments were misconstrued. I was not defending the bikers who were clearly in violation of the current law. I also indicated that I personally obey the current law (effective 2007) and that even prior to that I only rode on the parkway 2-3 times. Most of my comments/questions were rhetorical and directed at the few who don't don't believe bikers should have rights or suggest that they should have to travel considerable distances in order to ride. It is fairly obvious that 90% + of those who use the parkway do so at speeds that put them in violation of the law. It is also true that the parkway **IS** a National Park and was constructed for recreation, enjoyment and relaxation - - not as a main commuting artery. Unfortunately, it has been taken over by commuters and because of the congestion in Northern Virginia that is unlikely to change. For that reason it is not likely that bikers will be allowed on the parkway unless a separate lane is added (which is just as unlikely). I can accept that, however, it peeves me that a few folks feel it is selfish for bikers to want to have a safe place to ride (the bike path is not) while they are the ones who have selfishly **taken over** a National Park intended for recreation so that they may have an easier commute and proceed to drive on it in such a manner that it is no longer safe for it's intended purpose.

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DAVE

8:21 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

I have no problem with bikers having a safe place to ride. Major commuter roads just aren't one of them. Not safe for them and not safe for autos. Keith, I've driven the Parkway for ten years and have come to the conclusion that the normal speed is around 55. Is it right or wrong? It is what it is. Most of the accidents on our end of the Parkway aren't caused by speed, but by impatient drivers making left turns across 3 lanes of traffic. I can't tell you how many times I've almost hit or been hit by impatient drivers making left turns from Collingwood, Tulane, Belle Haven. I don;t think they designed it as you describe. If they did it wouldn't be a 4 lane road. It was built to accommodate both tourists and residents. It was a major thoroughfare long before we had paved roads.

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Tierney

11:05 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

Keith, I'm sure the Parkway was constructed with tourists in mind, but I'm sure it was also assumed it would be used as a commuter route for the locals. I'm 48 and can't remember a time we didn't use the GW Parkway as our main way of getting home from Old Town and from off the Beltway in Maryland.

Tierney

11:34 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

You know, the funny thing about this dynamic is that they cyclists leave the bike bath because others are too slow and get in their way. Then they go to the Parkway where they're too slow and get in everyone's way.

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mn

11:44 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

While what the driver did was absolutely inexcusable & completely awful, the bikers are also in the wrong here. The 'no bikes' law is there for a reason, & they take their lives, and the lives of others, into their hands when they break the law. I myself have nearly gotten in a very bad accident on the parkway because of a biker in the road. I was going the speed limit, and came around a turn and was right up on the biker since I couldn't see him around the corner, but the guy driving behind me was tailgating me and there was another car in the left lane. I had to slam on my breaks and pray the guy behind me didn't rear end me, and it was a near miss. Bikers seem to think that they're not hurting anyone by being in the road, but it's not the case. They need to stay on the bike path and stop endangering others with their selfishness. I realize the path can be busy, but there too I have nearly been injured by bikers who go top speed and REFUSE to say "on the left." If they would just let me know they're coming, I would make sure both myself and my dog were well out of their way, but that is even too much for them to handle, apparently. I'm the person yelling ON YOUR RIGHT to the bikers on the parkway all the time. If bikers would just follow the laws, it would be a lot safer for everyone. And, I bike too, I often commute to Old Town on the parkway. However, I do hope that driver is caught, since he shouldn't have left and it's scary that he might have actually targeted them.

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Jen

11:49 am on Monday, October 17, 2011

mn- i could not have said it any better. You are 100% correct. It is a very scary thing to come around one of the turns on the parkway and there is a biker. It almost brings a sense of panic in a way. More so when, like the position you were in with someone on your left and one behind you.

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Jeff Lemieux

12:15 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

For Jennifer -- no offense, but if you're scared and panicked when you come around a corner and see a bike going slowly, then you're driving too fast for the roadway. Whether it's a cyclist, a deer, a runaway child, a fallen tree, or a stalled car, you need to drive slow enough to be able to safely and calmly avoid any hazard that may be on the road.

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Jen

12:23 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

I drive the parkway daily.. back and forth several times a day. I go 45mph which is stated by the speed limit signs posted. When in residential areas, such as Waynewood, where there is a park where lots of kids are running around.. I go below the 25mph just in case a child runs out in the street. Which has happened several times. But if your going 45 mph on the Parkway, come up on a turn and there is a biker going well below 45mph, you have a car going the same speed, if not slower or faster right next to you.. what do you do? You can not tell me you have never had a sense of panic while driving, i.e., a car swerves/drifts into your lane. I will call your bluff on that. I was agreeing to what MN had stated. The people who clearly have no care that they are breaking a law on bicycles are putting a lot of people in jeopardy. Just like those who text while driving, those who are rubberneckers, ect., But thanks for coming up with the conclusion that I speed..

DAVE

12:15 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

I never heard anything about this accident on any news station I listen to or watch. Makes me think this wasn't as dramatic as it was being made out to be.

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Keith Whited

12:17 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Dave - You correctly state that the 'normal' speed on the Parkway is around 55 mph which only serves to reconfirm my comment that 90% +/- of those who use it are breaking the law when they do so which contributes significantly to making the parway unsafe. I have no records as to the major cause of accidents on the Parkway and neither do you. I do understand the frustration of those 'impatient' folks at the intersections you mentioned as the flow of traffic (due to extensive use by commuters) can cause unacceptable wait times to enter the roadway safely. On the other hand those folks who get inpatient are most likely also part of the problem as they are most likely commuters themselves. The only way to make those intersections safe if to install traffic lights - - which probably would be done if the road was as a commuter route. Bearing in mind that with Very Few Exceptions we are all biased to believe that our driving actions are safe and knowing you and myself as I do I would suggest that we have both been guily of being one of those "impatient drivers making left turns . . . . "

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Mary Ann Barton

12:19 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

It looks like the Bronx River Parkway opens a seven-mile stretch to cyclists for a few hours on some Sundays: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=215394145157341

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Steven Larsen

6:53 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Mary Ann - My prior posts have suggested the same. Having grown up in NY, the Bronx River Parkway is a great model for the GWMP. It would be a great venue for bike racers and enthusiasts to use on Sunday (and perhaps Saturday) mornings and would only minimally inconvenience Fort Hunt residents. The BRP closes from 10 am to 2 pm on Sundays in May June and September and there is a separate section just for inline skating. The BRP has an alternate parallel road (US 22), just like the GWMP has Fort Hunt Road. I would suggest an earlier time that would work for both recreational and racing bikers – say 7-11 am. Perhaps the MVCCA should recommend a proposal to NPS?

George Dawson

12:28 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Regardless of any laws, all disputes between 200lbs of flesh and 3000lbs of steel traveling at 50mph are to be avoided at all costs.

Drive defensively, no matter what you drive. You will be in the minority, but you will be in the right.

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George Dawson

12:37 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

And to all who have expressed their need to insult me by name:

Others will not always act right. Do not endanger yourselves because you believe others should act right. They wont always.

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Keith Whited

1:10 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

I don't think it was anyones intention to insult you personally. A new post by someone allows for a reply directly to that post. If someone has replied to a post the option of replyiong to the reply is not there. When a persons name is listed at the beginning of a post (at least in my case) it is to indicate that the new post is referring to an earlier post by that person. If my comment does not agree with your post that doesn't make it an insult - just a differing opinion. I apologize if you fltl that any of my responses were intended as an insult to you.

Keith Whited

12:59 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Tierney - I've lived here since 1971. Yes, it has been used as a commuter route for as long as I can remember as well. Of course the volume has increased ten-fold over the past 40 years. That doesn’t indicate proper use or intended purpose. The Parkway was originally built in 1932. ( NPS website: "The first segment, Mount Vernon Memorial Highway, stretches from Arlington Memorial Bridge to Mount Vernon and was completed in 1932. As the first modern motorway built by the federal government, it popularized advanced highway engineering and landscape design features and strongly influenced parkway . . . country.")
I doubt that commuter traffic was a top priority back then. Mt Vernon was sparsely populated and few of the residents would have commuted ‘ALL THE WAY’ to a job in DC. Much of the area was still farmland. Logically those farmers probably had trucks and perhaps prohibiting commercial vehicles was an early attempt to keep 'commuter' traffic off the road as the farmers would have used the Parkway to transport goods to Alexandria.
The construction of the parkway would also indicate it was not intended as a commuter route. Commuter routes are built to allow easy exit by cars with flats or other mechanical failure. These are normally many closely spaced intersections (i.e. Route 1) or, shoulders wide enough to pull out of traffic lanes (i.e. Beltway) or both. The Parkway has neither of those features - it is a poor and unsafe choice for commuters.

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DAVE

2:13 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Thanks, Keith. I'll keep that in mind while I'm slogging 20+ miles out of my way to get to work every morning. Actually the Parkway is 45 from Belle View to MV so 55 is not necessarily breaking the law.

Scoot

4:37 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

The posted speed limit is 45 MPH around Collingwood Drive. If you are driving 46 MPH you are breaking the law. Period.

The only reason that there is a "no bicycle" law on GW Parkway is because for some reason, the NPS cannot (or refuses to) properly enforce existing laws against careless, improper or reckless driving on the Parkway. Instead of moderating the safety of the Parkway, or, god-forbid, asking drivers to exercise a little more caution, they simply ban cyclists. Even though they are not the root of the problem. But that's about par for the course for NPS.

I regularly use Mt Vernon trail for jogging, walking or leisurely cycling (below 15 MPH), and I am scared of fast moving cyclists. Compared with the Parkway, the Trail is very narrow, has no shoulders, and the users do not have adequate protection from the impact of a 200 lb object traveling at 30 mph. Cyclists should not be on the trail.

Of course none of this really matters as there is absolutely no excuse -- read no excuse -- for anyone to intentionally assault others, especially for no reason. If you see a group of cyclists on GW Parkway and wish to report them for breaking the law, then call 9-11 and a dispatcher will send a squad car out to the area. Do not use your car to break their bones.

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T Ailshire

4:57 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Um, DAVE, could you clarify please? You said "...the Parkway is 45 from Belle View to MV so 55 is not necessarily breaking the law."

If the speed limit is 45, how is 55 "not necessarily breaking the law."? I thought those were LIMITS, not suggestions.

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DAVE

8:03 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

T, do you actually live in Mt. Vernon, NOVA, the Mid-Atlantic, or planet earth? If you travel the speed limit on any road in this area you will find that you are in the minority. Most travel around 10 miles over the limit and most jurisdictions (including Fairfax & Park Police) ticket around 12 mph over. It's just how it is by my observation.

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Mary Ann Barton

8:27 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

Steven that's an interesting proposal re opening up the parkway, similar to Bronx River Parkway, for limited use to cyclists and others for a few hours on some Sundays during the year. If anyone requests it from the powers-that-be, pls let me know.

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Mary Ann Barton

8:43 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

I don't think they've posted October incidents yet; also not sure since it occurred on GW Parkway if Fairfax will officially note it although I understand they were on the scene.

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DAVE

8:07 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Two things I found interesting on this site: 1) bicyclists were more at fault in accidents than drivers. 2) Drivers were ticketed more frequently than bicycles.

Richard Campbell

8:38 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

I sent a note to the FCPS as well.

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Bruce Johnsen

11:04 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

I’ve been a regular participant on the Sunday morning Old Towne ride but was not there when the vehicular assault incident occurred. My response to the road closure is to petition the Park Service for a Saturday/Sunday morning cars-yield-to-bikes-in-the-right-lane policy. The Parkway is, after all, part of our National Park system, for which multiple uses should be accommodated. That competitive cyclists are to be excluded seems a bit odd, especially given the long history of using the Parkway on weekend mornings for cycling, the virtual absence of other local cycling venues suitable for group rides, and the large number of cyclists desperate for a place to ride as a group. The message seems to be that we should just go away. Note that the Park Service closes the Parkway completely for hours at a time for running events.

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Bruce Johnsen

7:51 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Under ordinary circumstances (a viable alternative route) competitive cyclists would avoid the Parkway, but it just happens to be the feeder for a very nice ride that goes through Fort Belvoir all the way out Mason Neck, a tranquil rural setting. Even there, however, motorists routinely express their anger at our presence. Many on this page have pointed out how dangerous the Parkway is, yet during the 5 years I’ve been doing the Sunday morning ride I can’t recall a single car/cyclist accident, although I’m told a recent car/cyclist fatality is what prompted the closure. One effect of the bike closure will be to shift cyclists to Fort Hunt road, which is far more dangerous even if the speed limit is lower; it has way too many intersections and driveways that feed into it and is extremely narrow in places. Our courageous National Park officials, when faced with a fatality, didn’t even bother to try to balance multiple uses or assess safety tradeoffs. Instead, they banned cyclists from the Parkway wholesale. It is apparently not their concern if cyclists are injured at a higher rat

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Bruce Johnsen

7:59 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

rate on someone else’s roads.

I’d like to address the claims that competitive cyclists are arrogant or elitist. What we are is a) competitive with one another, and b) safety conscious under the circumstances we face. Common rules of cycling safety dictate that the rider should take a position on the right side of the road that gives him or her space on both sides in case something unexpected happens. If storm grates occur every 100 yards, the rule is that you maintain a steady position a safe distance from the curb that does not require you to move suddenly to the left when approaching a grate. This “ride a straight line” rule may come off as a show of arrogance to those who don’t understand the dangers. Ditto the rule for riding around a corner on a narrow road with a blind turn or hilltop. The rule is that you move out into the road to prevent motorists behind from passing until there is a clear view. If you don’t do this a passing car confronted with an oncoming car will move over on you without hesitation. Again, this may appear as arrogance, but it’s established safety procedure and similar to the rules slow-moving farm vehicles follow. Competitive cyclists know these rules and understand that one cannot be timid or indecisive about following them. . . . Sometimes we do dumb things, but so do motorists. It strikes me as a fairly simple thing to accommodate both groups with a bit of understanding and civility.

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Steven Larsen

8:13 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Bruce – Great suggestion for the weekends if a total closure wouldn’t work. There will need to be a wide & thorough education campaign for that to work. If the parkway were opened up to leisurely cyclists in addition to competitive cyclists it could end up even more dangerous. Think about it - cars going 45+ mph, competitive cyclist going 25-30, those of us out for a good workout going 15-20 mixed with kids and families traveling at 5-10. For it to work, there would need to be a minimum speed limit (15 mph) and perhaps a lowered (say 35 and enforced) upper speed limit on the weekends. All great ideas – but I’m not sure that the NPS has the budget/manpower to police this. Just to clarify – I’m speaking only of the section from Old Town to the mansion – miles 0 - 8.

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Keith Whited

10:41 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Dave - Just a couple of points here -
1. You seem outraged that the cyclists weren't ticketed but see it as your right to drive 10-12 miles above the speed limit simply because the police don't enforce the actual speed limit. You can't have it both ways - - why only 'strict' enforcement when it doesn't inconvenince you. If I recall a few short weeks ago you were one of those (including myself) who argued that the police were too strict on speed enforcement on Old Mill Road - is my memory failing me?
2. You 'thanked' me for a suggestion (which would NEVER occur - taking commuters off the Parkway) that would add a few miles to your daily commute. Yet you didn't seem to object when it was suggested that bikers could commute to Ashburn/Purcellville for their rides. I could hear you squawk if someone suggested closing Mt Vernon Country Club so you had to drive elsewhere to play golf.
I don't deny defending my positions (and will make rhetorical statements to make a point and stimulate thought) but I at least try to look at issues from the other persons perspective.

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DAVE

11:56 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Keith:
You and I will never agree on this. Yes, I drive 10-12 miles above the speed limit (usually the speed of traffic). Don't blame me for that reality. By the way, what do you think is safer: me traveling 10-12 miles over the speed limit or you traveling 20-25 mph under it. If I drove 20-25 mph on the Parkway they'd pull me over for obstructing traffic. And, sadly, the bicyclists should have been ticketed. Check out this website: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/traffic/bike_crashes_2011.htm and then preach to me about who's causing the accidents. It also appears to me that drivers are ticketed more often than bicyclists. Actually, I would love to go down RTE 1 as it is 4-5 miles shorter, but unfortunately it is 30 minutes longer. If the bicyclists have to commute to Purceville or Ashburn to SAFELY AND LEGALLY participate in their competitions or rides then so be it. Every Saturday or Sunday morning I am stuck behind bicyclist riding 2 abreast on MV Hghwy. Because it is LEGAL for them to ride there I stick behind them (while a line of 25 cars) piles up. I drive all the time to play golf.
Defend your position all you want because it will not change the fact that for the time being bikes are not allowed on the Parkway because the powers that be deem it that way. That being the case I'm not required to see any other side and I'm sure if you get a few thousand of your spandex clad buddies together you might be able to get it changed.

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Keith Whited

12:18 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Dave - and if enough bikers rode on the Parkway that too would become reality. Since they don't, does that imply that bikers are more law abiding than motorists, You are asking for selective enforcement. Thanks for proving my point, Dave.

I run (and occassionally bike) along Mt. Vernon Highway (heck, I even drive there). Unless bikers are switching lead positions I have never seen them two abreast (and if you ever see any who are, I'd venture a guess they are casual, let's go out for a little spin around the neighborhood bikers). The bikers in question here will ride in single file - - if not for safety then for drafting purposes. Further, I have NEVER, EVER seen a line of 25 cars on MV Highway except at the intersection at Mt. Vernon. Never more than perhaps 3-4 and that is usually due to an over-cautious motorist who is afraid to pass without swinging all the way into the other lane even though the bikers are practically on the white line.

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DAVE

1:46 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I love you Keith, but you and I will never agree on this.

Steven Larsen

1:18 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Dave and Bruce – I need to address both of your issues. Bruce, I hear all your reasoning for allowing bikes on the parkway, but I disagree. Parkways are limited access highways designed for cars – not for mixed use as you state. The road surfaces were not designed or intended for bikes, walkers, strollers, etc. The GW Parkway has no shoulder (OK – 12-18” wide with a storm grate) and a curb, making it impossible for a bicyclist to pull off to the right to avoid an accident. I would also venture to say that virtually all parkways disallow bikes (Google it – I couldn’t find any.) So – either look for a compromise (weekend dedication – sorry Dave, gotta go with that one) or lobby to upgrade the bike trail system to accommodate racing. And I’ll throw on more thing out: Highly competitive sportsman don’t have carte blanche to practice their sports anywhere they choose. In the metro area you can’t base jump from the Washington Monuments, rappel the Key Bridge, race a Formula 1 boat in the Potomac…..or bike on the Interstates or Parkways. It’s a little over an hour to rural roads in the Virginia and Maryland countryside. Make the drive - it’s far more compatible with your sport.

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Steven Larsen

1:18 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Continued: Dave, have you ever thought that the mentality of your “10-12 mph over the limit is part of the problem. Please let me know when you commute so I can stay off the parkway. This attitude of “everyone else does it – so it must be OK” is rampant of Washington drivers. Let me ask – do you also illegally “double stack” in the medians of divided highways like the GWMP? Do you cut corners and drive over & through the yellow and white cross hatched areas on highways? Do you stay in your lane (marked by dotted white lines) when turning from a multiple lane highway to another? Do you “roll through” (or ignore in the case of many cyclists) stop signs. I could go on, but I bet you and countless other readers disobey these laws daily and are to blame for numerous accidents, road rage, and high blood pressure. Bruce, this applies to cyclists as well. I travel throughout Fort Hunt/MV daily – on the parkway and residential streets. Just today a competitive cyclist on West Boulevard cut the corner in my lane at Alexandria Ave as I was making my (full) stop at the stop sign/line (near the stone bridge) – and then proceeded curse me out because it would have meant he would have had to take the turn at a reasonable speed. Sharing the road and obeying laws goes for all vehicular traffic.

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DAVE

1:45 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Steve, reality is a reality. I obey all traffic laws. I move at the speed of traffic. I don't know if it's right or wrong and really don't care. It is what it is. I've almost been involved in numerous accidents on the Parkway none of which would have been my fault or related to speed. Please understand this: if it ever comes down to me or a bicyclist again, I will run them down without remorse. It is far more unsafe for a bicyclist traveling 20-30 under the posted speed limit than it is for me to travel 10 over it. BTW, I commute every morning between 5:30-6 and every afternoon between 3 & 3:30.

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Scoot

3:25 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

@ Dave - the speed of traffic is above the speed limit because police refuse to strictly enforce speed limit laws. Just recognize that for what it is... the "reality" is that you're getting away with breaking the law, much like cyclists who ride the Parkway on Sunday mornings.

You have to realize that the danger you pose to other people on the road is dependent on your speed relative to *them*, not relative to the posted speed limit. There is nothing inherently unsafe about a vehicle traveling 20 under the speed limit if most other vehicles are traveling 20 under the speed limit. Unfortunately, most vehicles travel far above the speed limit (in addition to exercise other careless driving practices), which means that they pose a danger to slower vehicles, even those that are traveling very much within the posted speed limits.

Instead of banning cyclists -- which is antithetical to federal and state law, the design of the road, the design of local trails, the needs of the community, and the National Park Service's stated mission -- the NPS could instead work to reduce the average speed of drivers on the Parkway to make it safer for everyone who uses it.

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Scoot

3:55 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

"Check out this website: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/traffic/bike_crashes_2011.htm and then preach to me about who's causing the accidents."

Even though the data seems quite even to me (55% to 45%) -- not really enough to determine that bikes pose such a danger that they need to be banned -- what this data doesn't show is that these collisions represent fewer than 1% of traffic accidents in Fairfax county -- so you tell me "who is causing the accidents." Close to 99% are being caused by drivers running into each other.

The data also doesn't reveal how police are determining fault for bike-driver collisions. I can't speak for Arlington or Fairfax counties, but the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington DC has publicly acknowledged that its officers have erred in determining fault in collisions. In its studies, the MPD concluded that officers were not interviewing cyclists involved in crashes, were not reporting missing statements, did not understand the regulations or traffic codes governing the 55+ miles of bike lanes in the city, did not understand the traffic codes for roads and streets without bike lanes, had lapsed in issuing citations to motorists, and were receiving complaints of having a pro-motorist bias. http://www.scribd.com/doc/66822720/Police-Complaint-Board-MPD-Bicyclist-Report-Recs

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Jeff Lemieux

4:10 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Lots of bike accidents are children, not adults. And yes, they are often "at fault." Doesn't mean much.

Keith Whited

7:46 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Countywide Bicycle Transportation Master Plan Public Open House
Help set the course for making Fairfax County a bicycle-friendly community
by attending a Public Open House:
Thursday, November 17, 2011
5:30 p.m. - 8:00 p.m.
South County Government Center
8350 Richmond Highway, Alexandria, VA 22309
2nd Floor, Conference Room 221 A-B
Attend a meeting and give your input on:
* What streets and roads need to be bicycle-friendly?
* Where should there be on-road bike lanes, off-road trails, and/or
other approaches?
* Where are the difficult or unsafe locations to bicycle?
* How can cycling be made safer for young people or novice
cyclists?
* How can cycling for short trips, like running errands, shopping,
or going to the park or playground be made more attractive?
A flyer for this project is attached in PDF format.
For more information (including additional meeting dates/locations), visit
the project web site at: _www.tooledesign.com/fairfax_
(http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/offsite/?pg=http://www.tooledesign.com/fairfax) .

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Richard Campbell

8:42 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

From FCPD (part 1 of 2 as it has too many characters for one post)
Dear Mr. Campbell, :

In** Virginia**, bicyclists and motorists basically have the same
rights, responsibilities and duties, and the laws governing traffic
regulation apply equally to both.

Many jurisdictions in Northern Virginia require the use of bicycle
helmets. Fairfax County is one of them. Fairfax County Code Section
82-6-38.1 defines the use of a protective helmet while operating a
Bicycle: Any person under the age of fifteen years of age shall wear a
protective helmet that meets the standards promulgated by the American
National Standards Institute or the Snell Memorial Foundation while
riding or being carried on a bicycle on any highway, sidewalk, or public
bicycle path.

Virginia code requires that every bicycle ridden between sunset and
sunrise must have at least one white headlamp visible for at least 500
feet.

The bicycle must have a red reflector mounted on the rear visible for at
least 600 feet.

Additionally, on roads with a posted speed of 35 mph or higher, the
bicycle must be equipped with at least one red taillight visible for at
least 500 feet. Taillights may be steady or flashing, are allowed under
all conditions and may be attached to either the cycle or rider.

For more detailed information regarding laws for bicycling, rights and
duties, and riding/safety tips, visit the VDOT's bicycle site:
www.vdot.virginia.gov/programs/bk-laws.asp

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Richard Campbell

8:42 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

(Part 2 of 2)
Having said all this, I must emphasize that the George Washington
Parkway is not subject to Virginia Law. As a National Park, the GW
Parkway is part of a **Federal** reservation and subject to Federal
Code. For your convenience I have included a link to the applicable
federal regulations covering the GW Parkway.

http://www.nps.gov/gwmp/parkmgmt/upload/REV0611_GWMPCompendium-6-20.PDF

Page 12 covers rules regarding bicycles and it appears to me that bikes
are prohibited on the roadway. However, any more specific questions
about the GW Parkway would need to be addressed to the U.S. Park Police.
Their public information office can be reached at 202-619-7163. Ask for
Sgt. David Schlosser.

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PFC Bud Walker
Public Information Office
Fairfax County Police
703.246.2253

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Mary Ann Barton

12:10 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I've asked Sgt. Schlosser for more information on both the cycling/car incident as well as more general information about the parkway for a follow-up story.

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NB

11:16 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I participated in group rides on the parkway on weekend mornings for 20 years before the NPS put up the “no bikes” sign. I always felt it was as safe, or safer than other area roads. There are two lanes in each direction. Our group never had any close calls or incidents in all those years. I also live along the parkway, and have never felt nervous when driving on the parkway and passing a cyclist.
What I have found dangerous is the continued, rampant speeding on the parkway during rush hour and motorists treating it as if it were a highway. Speeding makes entering the parkway hazardous because there are no acceleration lanes. In cases where motorists need to make a left turn off the parkway (like at East Boulevard), there is the danger of being rear ended. Most of the accidents and close calls I have seen involve cars turning onto the parkway. I do not understand why the National Park Service cannot take control of this situation. Portable speed cameras are used regularly throughout the area and are effective in slowing traffic to the speed limit. The National Park Service should use these cameras, take back control of their parkway, and make some allowance for cyclists on the weekends.

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Steven Larsen

4:23 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

NB – Many parkways (NY & Ct) have made left turns illegal or put in turn lanes, and they all have center guardrails – unfortunate realities that reduce the enjoyment and convenience of these overburdened roadways. Speeding is but one of the issues. Disobeying lane markings at intersections is an even more serious problem. There is room for one car at a time in the median spaces. The lane markings painted at Tulane, Belle View and Belle Haven are regularly ignored causing havoc during rush hour. We’ve urged the NPS to consider traffic lights, pedestrian overpasses, etc, at the north end of the section below Old Town, but NPS rules and budgets prohibit such. I agree that weekend allowances (closings or sharing) for bikes is overdue; however, commuter bicyclists should still be prohibited. We’ve all suddenly come up on them at dawn and dusk. Roadways with no shoulders and 9’ wide lanes (Virginia primary and secondary roads must be 11’+ with shoulders) were not designed to share with bikes. Too many cars and not enough space doesn’t mix - regardless of speed enforcement.

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George Dawson

5:33 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

No one blames the bicyclists for a deliberate hit and run incident by a car. Many have suggested ways to help prevent such incidents in the future. They are not accusing the cyclists of causing the incident. Yet the reality remains, If cyclists (or anyone) exposes themselves to risk . . ., then once in a while the uncalled for and unwanted will manifest itself. This is just reality: realizing it is a step towards maturity.

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dana matassa

2:45 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

I guess I have to ask this as a rider and racer in this area. I ride at over 25 mph when I train. The trails now have speed limits and the type of speeds we all reach make the trail impossible to train on, so where can I do a 4 hour ride at over 25mph and not encounter cars. You give me a reasonable place and I'll go there. So for now I will continue to train on the roads of Md, N. Va and DC. We don't all have elitist attitudes and we don't all disrespect the laws of the road. I was recently hit and run on NY Ave where a driver ran a red light and struck me and kept on driving. I guess we have to stop riding in the city now too. I guess somehow, that was the cyclists fault.

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dana matassa

3:02 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

And to follow up on another persons post, I don't have the time to drive an hour or more to do a 3hr ride and drive home. Especially when there are plenty of roads in my back yard in DC where we can all drive or ride and not kill each other if drivers just had a bit of patience. Cause really that's what it is all about. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere you should have left a few minutes earlier. A woman once told me to get on the sidewalk, she was late for church. How was that the cyclists fault. The road was River Rd in MD. I may have impacted her commute another 10 seconds cause she had to drive a little bit around me. She spent 30 second telling me what the laws of the road were. She was completely wrong. I have every right to be on the very same roads unless otherwise posted.

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Ferdi Malloy

4:04 pm on Monday, October 31, 2011

It does not surprise me that people have written in with their own views on what the "Rules of the Road" are, probably without ever having looked at or studied the "Highway Code" for Virginia or anywhere else.
The fact that some people believe that cyclists are dangerous would depend if the cyclist was in fact doing something dangerous and not just trying to proceed on the road. It is the motorists responsibility to see what is ahead and adjust their possition on the road to be safe. If a motorist sees a cement block in the road would they just drive into it because it was in the way? When a motorist attacks a cyclist.......the motorist is the one who is dangerous.
That is why they install a steering wheel and brakes on a car, so that one can slow down, stop or manouver round an obstruction.
There is no justification for bullying and ill manners.
For all those who want to make up their own laws, may I suggest you read the "Highway Code".......there you will find that bicycles are given the same right to be on the roads as motorists (unless otherwise posted) and must obey the same rules as motorists.
Lastly, motorists have no more right to mow down cyclists who may be violating a road rule than they do in purposely trying to hit a pedestrian who may jay walk or cross on a red light, or to drive into another car/truck that may be in their space.
Use some common sense.
Someone must know the driver of the Gold Cadillac.

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mn

4:37 pm on Monday, October 31, 2011

Ferdi, one does not need to study the "highway code." It's plain and simple: on the GW Parkway, it's illegal for bikers to be on the road, because of the lack of shoulders and the blind turns. You said it yourself in your post: "bicycles are given the same right to be on the roads as motorists (unless otherwise posted)"...it is otherwise posted on the parkway. Perhaps I'm unclear about what you're referring to when you say "those who want to make up their own laws", but it sounds like you think it's OK for bikers to be on that road. I don't think anyone thinks it was right for the driver to target those bikers (although it's unclear that's actually what happened), and it certainly was not right to leave the scene, but the bikers should not have been there in the first place. The same thing could happen if, say, a car goes around a pack of bikers but then sees a cop or a cement block or a deer and slams on their brakes. The signs are there for a reason, and like it or not, right or wrong, the bikers should have to obey the law.

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Beth Lawton

6:37 pm on Thursday, November 17, 2011

There is a $10,000 reward available for information about the incident between the bicyclists and the gold Cadallic on the GW Parkway. More information is here on Fort Hunt Patch: http://forthunt.patch.com/articles/10-000-reward-offered-in-purported-hit-and-run-on-gw-parkway

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